Falls of Clyde could be safely relocated
I support an appeal of the state Department of Transportation decision to evict the Falls of Clyde from its moorings (“The fall of Clyde,” Star-Advertiser, June 18). The unique historical value of the ship mandates that it be preserved.
Yes, the fundraising has been slow, but moving it solves nothing other than creating space for yet another commercial venture. It will cost far less than $32 million to restore the hull to a point when it could safely be moved.
There has been no demonstration of a “safety and security risk” by the DOT.
There will be a huge taxpayer cost to move it in its present condition.
And speaking of risk to the harbor — what about the risk as it disintegrates, spreading debris into the path of harbor traffic? I implore the DOT to reverse its decision and save this treasure.
Harry Palmer
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Downtown Honolulu
Students’ behavior was disrespectful
Laiana Wong in his weekly Hawaiian language post praised the Kamehameha Schools students for not standing while the “Star Spangled Banner” was played.
Do the students and Wong not understand or teach simple respect? When I am in any foreign country, if their national anthem is played, it is pono to the people of that country, however different and disagreeable their government is, to stand while their anthem is is played. By “noho pa‘a” (stuck sitting), the students are disrespecting every graduate of that institution and everyone who has served in the military and those who have given their lives for their freedom, and are snubbing their noses at all non-Hawaiians.
If they truly feel this way, Wong should not accept any non-Native Hawaiian taxpayer monies included in his salary or retirement and the graduates of this school should not accept any U.S. government scholarships or grants.
Gary R. Johnson
Kaneohe
Shorter rail route will hurt commuters
For the thousands of West Oahu commuters who face a nationally ranked “traffic crunch” driving to work or school in Honolulu, Mayor Kirk Caldwell’s sudden shift with rail planning to a Middle Street end point is a slap in the face of voters who originally supported the route to Ala Moana.
While the mayor and City Council promoted the urban development corridor from Kapolei to Honolulu that had given the green light to more than 20,000 future homes at Ho‘opili and Koa Ridge, and a surge in condo tower construction around Kakaako and Ward Center, the Middle Street compromise will now add a bottleneck train/bus terminal to make commuting miserable for the thousands of workers who support the Honolulu economy.
Rail provided an appealing future alternative to the proposed expansion of large residential communities on Oahu and the disappearing public parking options downtown. The Middle Street rail end point will only contribute to the traffic and commuting woes facing West Oahu and degrade the quality of life for our ohana.
Art Wallace
Kapolei
Have rail stop at edge of Chinatown
If we have to stop the rail short, let’s stop it somewhere useful.
It was originally supposed to serve the Ala Moana Center. That may be out of reach, but downtown is not. A terminal stop on the Ewa edge of Chinatown (say, Beretania and River streets) would serve not only Chinatown but would be an easy walk (or a relatively quick bus ride) to downtown. And it wouldn’t desecrate the downtown waterfront, as the current route plan would.
Pushing the line through Kalihi wouldn’t be cheap or easy. But it would add real value. Stopping at Middle Street would not.
If that’s the preferred option, let’s stop where we are now, in Aiea. Folks can always get off there and catch a bus.
Beau Sheil
Haleiwa
Florida incident was attack on humanity
The tragic shooting incident in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., was an act of terrorism and a hate crime committed by a self-radicalized jihadist, not only against innocent gay people but against humanity.
It is time to raise awareness about nonviolence, and the fight against terrorism, which is spreading like cancer across the globe.
The extremists are using the internet to recruit young, unstable individuals prone to violence, and brainwashing them to become jihadists to carry out attacks and suicide missions in crowded areas in their local communities. These fanatics have twisted certain passages of the Quran for their own selfish purposes to stay in power, create fear, and impose their rules on the entire world.
It is also time to close loopholes and make stricter gun laws to prevent more violence.
Everything can be replaced, but loss of human lives can’t be replaced with any material object in this world.
Raj Kumar
President, Gandhi International Institute for Peace
Why isn’t state liable for its TMT error?
The Third Circuit Court determined that the Thirty Meter Telescope met the eight requirements to obtain a building permit for the telescope on Mauna Kea.
The Hawaii Supreme Court disallowed the permit and sent everybody back to square one because the hearing officer at the Board of Land and Natural Resources made a mistake.
Even though the TMT consortium was innocent of any wrongdoing, it suffered the brunt of the consequences — nine years of work and millions of dollars lost.
Was this a failure by the state of Hawaii to provide full disclosure? What if it had revealed at the very beginning that the applicant would be penalized for mistakes made by the agency in charge?
James Growney
Diamond Head
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Rail needs to be completed all the way to downtown to achieve the full benefit of rapid transit serving residents commuting from the west side. As mentioned in another article today, Governor Ige said it would be very bad to stop rail at Middle Street. We all need to think out of the box to find the funds needed to finish rail as planned.
Just last week you said rail must be completed to Ala Moana. You are so wishy washy it makes you unbelievable.
Ukuleleblue, the route is being cut short BECAUSE WE RAN OUT OF MONEY!
That does not concern him since “we” does not include “him”.
ukuleleblue says: “We all need to think out of the box to find the funds needed to finish rail as planned.”
That’s funny. We put $6.8 billion dollars in that box and now it’s empty.
So what do you suggest? How about YOU tell us where an extra 1-4 BILLION dollars is going to come from? What do you think about charging these developers and luxury mall owners large impact fees for benefiting from the wonders of rail?
If struggling families in Waianae, Kahuku, Wahiawa can pay extra for their toothpaste, food, rent and medicine to fund rail, then why can’t these wealthy developers and construction corporations making fortunes off it pay their share?
And while you’re dodging questions, wouldn’t today be a good day to finally came clean and tell everyone where on the mainland you live and what your connection is to this mess of a rail project?
agree..and poor old Uku has likely been warned he will be laid off from the PR department of HART. By the way, notice how quiet old man Mufi has been? He is hoping people will forget his dishonest role in selling the state this outdated, overpriced monstrosity.
I’m not convinced we even have enough money to reach Middle street, based on past performance and results from HART.
IRT Art Wallace: The original intent was for rail to end at UH Manoa. Stopping at Middle St or AMC makes no difference in commuter travel as commuters from both terminals would still have to bus to UH Manoa.
“HART hasn’t yet issued the two big contracts to complete rail’s final 10 miles”
The first 10 miles ends at Aloha Stadium. The rail, if kept, should end at Aloha Stadium where there are enough open parking spaces for a major Bus transit center and for many passenger cars (for commuter transfers to/from the buses/rail) during the week day when the stadium parking are unused.
The practical and best option is to convert the rail guide way to a reversible 2-lane HOV(2) Reversible freeway from Kapolei to Aloha Stadium for less than $4 Billion already collected via GET.
The year 2030 downtown-bound commuter demand will be 15,000 commuters per hour above the existing highway capacity, according to the city’s Alternative Traffic analysis. The reversible can carry up to 17,000 commuters per hour (200 express buses and 3800 vehicles per hour) versus 3,000 RAIL commuters per hour. Rail will NOT eliminate traffic gridlock at the H-1/H-2 merge. New buses are 80% funded by the Feds and would cost the city about $200,000 per bus or $40 million for 200 new buses. HART plans to purchase 80 rail cars at $1.2 million each for $96 million (Oahu Taxpayer funded).
The guide way can carry most vehicles except heavy construction vehicles such as concrete batch trucks and 18 wheeler trucks. Freeway on/off ramps can be constructed at about 5 mile intervals (Kapolei, Farrington/Ft. Weaver, H-1/H-2, Aloha Stadium). This Reversible HOV(2) freeway option deletes rail functions such as rail stations, rail cars, utilities relocation, land/building acquisitions, rail security, rail power plant, rail O&M (100 million per year), etc.
Rail = Biggest construction and financial debacle ever for the Nei. Makes H3 look like chump change.
IRT hybred1:Absolutly a great idea THINK HAWAII THINK. the answer is right their
in front of them. Very small future overhead so less or no tax increase necessary
is a GOOD THING not a BAD THING WAKE UP HONOLULU AND STOP MUFEE;S FOLLY
Hey ukuBS is back with early commenting!!
Why were you SO QUIET when we had 300+ comments on Krooky throwing in the towel and admitting abject failure a few days ago????
Couldn’t take the heat for all your HART sponsored C * R * A * P, eh?
Is it about rail or just attacking Ukuleleblue? Like me and you we all have our opinion. When opposition constantly attack a certain opponent, people take notice. Why? Because they have valid points. Again why do people demand where a person lives when everyone on an Internet thread should disclose where they resiside. And when you scream about your TAXES, disclose your tax returns. Other then that, it’s just comments.
It does make a difference if he is a paid PR hack as we suspect.
True but uku is a paid spokesperson who is paid to blog. This happens all the time.
Because, the man gets paid by HART. Same like you, got your rail contracts. He hasnt posted because he was still trying to process what the mayor is saying and what it means for him as the HART chief. Now he is saying downtown because he knows he can drag it along for potential job security. Buts that is only if he survives Caldwell’s outright firing him because that would be the right thing to do.
NanakuliBoss says: “Again why do people demand where a person lives when everyone on an Internet thread should disclose where they resiside.”
ukuleleblue posts on mainland time and seems to actually know very little about Oahu. He thinks no price is too high for rail and that no one should ever be held accountable regardless of how much money gets wasted, promises get broken, or mistakes get made.
He also steadfastly refuses to tell us where he lives on the mainland and what his connection is to this mess of a rail project.
I’d say that raises a bunch of red flags, don’t you?
A while back he tried to turn that question around on me and I answered it quickly, easily, and honestly, but he’s still dodging the question months and years later.
He may not be a mainland based rail shill, but he sure does act like one.
“Laiana Wong in his weekly Hawaiian language post praised the Kamehameha Schools students for not standing while the “Star Spangled Banner” was played”
Ironically, it is the American freedoms that are represented by the song that allow them to make such a protest.
Under traditional Hawaiian values they would have been immediately put to death for disrespecting the chief or his cronies.
It’s Ok, the kids want to disrespect their country. They want to make a political point.
Wiliki, if these students believe they are not citizens of the United States, at least they should respect the National Anthem of the Country they are visiting. But, if they are citizens of the United States, they must respect their Country just as their ancestors have done since 1900.
This is called ‘protest’. It is meant to have symbolic power to communicate opposition to injustice.
As far as respecting an illegitimate colonial empire from across the sea, try look up the American Revolution.
The Hawaiians are now informed and organizing, Get used to it.
DannoBoy, protest to being an American? What protest for injustice to be an American? For a Vietnam veteran, kinda hard to “get use to it”.
Didn’t see any college students executed during the “flag burning” Vietnam era. Don’t see the gestpo rounding up the disrespecting Obama trolls condemning the President of THE UNITED STATES. Sounds like a pick and chose thing. All part of the freedom things.
Right. There’s no point to political protest unless someone listens.
Kamehameha students taught to not stand at the national anthem is a horrible teaching moment. All this does is create the them verses us. Separation is wrong in today’s social climate. Don’t forget you are Hawaiian but also don’t forget you live in the American world where you have every opportunity to enjoy and succeed in an individual freedom environment. You limit your potential and you limit exposure to life when you isolate yourself behind a single identity. Carry both the Hawaiian flag and the American flag proudly.
Students protested on their own. Kamehameha Schools did not teach them that.
After having a child spend 4 years up there, I can tell you that you have no idea what you’re taking about. Racism is fostered at Kamehameha. The seeds are sewn early and often. It is not only a sad commentary on the legacy, it speaks volumes for their lack of leadership. It’s actually amazing that an institution still exists that practices open racism on admission. It was never Puahi’s intent, but it is what has manifested itself over years of entitlement mentality. That’s just a fact.
It’s not racism to make a political point. But of course, the school should make clear to the students that they have chosen to disrespect their country to make a political point.
Did Kamehameha Schools teach them the 1900 Organic Act Article I, Ҥ4. Citizenship.
“That all persons who were citizens of the Republic of Hawaii on August twelfth, eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States and citizens of the Territory of Hawaii.
“And all citizens of the United States resident in the Hawaiian Islands who were resident there on or since August twelfth, eighteen hundred and ninety-eight and all the citizens of the United States who shall hereafter reside in the Territory of Hawaii for one year shall be citizens of the Territory of Hawaii.” And, it included my Great Grandparents who arrived from Kumamoto in 1891 and grandmother born in Hawaii in 1894.
So a handful of students didn’t stand for the Star Spangled Banner. I’m sorry to hear about their disability that confines them to wheelchairs. *LOL
But seriously, the better way to look at this event is that everyone else DID stand for the Star-Spangled Banner. Think positive. Here in the belly of the beast, in the very heart of racial segregation where nobody is allowed to attend who lacks a drop of the magic blood — in the school which teaches a twisted version of Hawaii’s history to brainwash the kids with anti-American propaganda — we see that the vast majority of students and parents give honor and respect to the nation that nurtures them, to which they owe allegiance.
Now let me tell you what I do at public events. If the event leads off with the state anthem Hawai’i Pono’i (which was the national anthem of the Hawaiian Kingdom) instead of the Star-Spangled Banner, I remain seated and refuse to stand. If a Hawaiian flag is raised or leads a parade without an American flag on top or in front, I remain seated and refuse to stand. And in the future, if there are more incidents like what this newspaper commentary reports, I will not only remain seated in silence — I will stand up and raise a ruckus and shout “What about the Star-Spangled Banner?” or “Where’s Old Glory, our American flag?” No more Mr. Nice Guy sitting in silence.
I already have a personal policy of speaking politely but firmly, as though I’m a tourist, to those guys wearing the “Defend Hawaii” shirts with picture of the AR 15 assault rifle. “What is it you’re defending Hawaii FROM?” I ask them. “Why does it take an assault rifle?” “What are you afraid of?” “Do you really think it’s nice to wear a shirt like that when we’ve had mass shootings of innocent children and adults in schools, churches, nightclubs?” So far I have never gotten an explanation. Only cowards who play dumb and pretend they don’t know the answer.
Thanks to everyone who has spoken up here in these comments. Please join me in not letting these insults and provocations go unchallenged.
Personally I think “God Save the Queen” ought to be incorporated into ALL Hawaii events as well. After all…the Union Jack is on the Hawaiian flag, right??
Kenny refuses to admit the white supremacist values that permeate the United States and fueled the overthrow and disenfranchisement of non-whites. To top it off, be accuses others of pushing a “twisted version of Hawaii’s history”. In fact, the real twisted history is that which has whitewashed the pervasive racism and episodic colonial exploitation of the USA. Conklin’s jingoistic denial, obsessive paranoia and hypocritical history of the two nations is the real ‘brainwash’.
He’s just another old h8 filled blow hard that no one pays any attention to.
Hawaiian religious fascism. A twisted version of a beautiful creation legend provides the theological basis for a claim that ethnic Hawaiians are entitled to racial supremacy in the governance and cultural life of the Hawaiian islands.
http://tinyurl.com/j4o2cdj
The Aloha Spirit. How aloha for all, manifested in the twin pillars of unity and equality, can overcome Hawaiian religious fascism which is the theological basis for a claim to racial supremacy.
http://tinyurl.com/jtl7w4d
Let’s look at history of the overthrow period 1880s-1890s.
USA is recovering from the most bloody civil war in history, fought because half the ‘land of the free’ wanted to continue its 200 year-old system of getting rich by using brutality and terror to get free labor from enslaved non-whites. The highest Court of the land, its central government and even its churches had condoned this abpminatipn. After the war, these practices persisted in a racist societal conspiracy called Jim Crow that would last another century.
Across the US, belief in the inferiority of non-whites was the norm. It was taught in the top universities, in textbooks in public lectures. It was the basis for laws and Court opinions restricting immigration, citizenship, intermarriage, voting, professional licensure and land ownership. It was used to ignore treaties with non-white nations and to proclaim white America’s “Manifest Destiny”. All of this was going on across the sea.
Here in Hawaii during that time, there was no slavery, no lynchings, no racial barriers to marriage, citizenship, voting or land ownership – at least not until the overthrow by white supremacists greedy for more land, wealth and power based on cheap labor of non-whites.
Regardless of the lofty principles of the US Declaration of Independence and Constitution, these are the facts. The US remains a more violent and racist place than the kingdom of Hawaii ever was. Kenny may not want to admit this – after all he is a Euro-american man. (BTW, even the term ‘white’ is a vestigial colonial category of privilege.)
Perhaps Kenny’s worldview was shaped by the sanitized version of US history taught for over a century – perhaps he taught this propoganda to his students back in Boston before he retired here with his teachers union pension. It’s sad and pathetic really, that he refuses to confront the ugly truths about the country be days he loves, instead be comes here and picks on kids who are peacefully seeking righteousness.
If you really want to make the world more fair, more just, less racist, Kenny, then go back home. That’s where your efforts are truly needed.
“ugly truths about the country he says he loves,”
Danno and NanakuliBoss are the real haters and racists.
I believe we are all equal in the eyes of God and we should all be treated equally under the law, regardless of race. Danno and Boss believe anyone with a drop of Hawaiian blood is a child of the gods and brother to the land in the way nobody else can ever be who lacks a drop of Hawaiian blood. Those beliefs are the very definition of racism — a belief in inborn racial supremacy and a belief that political power belongs to one racial group merely on account of its race. Danno and Boss are the racists here; but they call me a racist and hater because I refuse to knuckle under to them. And they believe ethnic Hawaiians are entitled to special goodies from the government merely because of their race. And they HATE anyone who stands up to disagree with them. They are the haters, not me.
The Kingdom of Hawaii had what today’s political science professors would call a “social contract.” The natives provided land. Caucasians from Europe and America provided huge amounts of money, technological expertise, reading/writing, and Christianity. Asians from China and Japan provided tens of thousands of laborers, and also some investors. As time went by, especially during the last 60 years, the laws and social realities evolved to the point where everyone has equal rights under the law and people of all races live, work, play and pray together in all neighborhoods and throughout all economic and social levels. The same thing happened in the mainland. That’s why I’m proud to be an American and proud to be a Hawaiian (just wait for Danno and Boss to yell at me that I cannot be Hawaiian because I lack a drop of the magic blood). Danno and Boss hate the prosperity and socio-cultural integration of our multiracial rainbow society in Hawaii and fostered under U.S. sovereignty. They believe in racial supremacy. They want to build a bridge to the 18th Century. Don’t let them and their ilk get away with it.
To paraphrase Shakespeare, Me thinks Kenny doth protest to much.
Looks like I hot a nerve.
Conklin once again resorts to denial, paranoid projection and name calling rather than speaking to the historical facts about the institutionalized white supremacy and race-based terrorism in the US before, during and after the overthrow.
Danno living in the past, cannot accept the present. There are no white supremacists in Hawaii. There are some ethnic Hawaiian racial supremacists in Hawaii, doing their best to take power away from everyone else.
The claim to racial supremacy is displayed in the proposed constitution for a future federally recognized Hawaiian tribe adopted on February 26, 2016, and in the writings of Hawaiian Studies department chair Professor Lilikala Kame’eleihiwa. The constitution’s declarations can be construed as a declaration of jihad (race-war).
On February 26, 2016 the group voted to adopt a document which they called “Constitution of the Native Hawaiian Nation.” The vote was 88 for, 30 opposed, 1 abstention, and numerous absentees unaccounted for. Those who voted against did so not because they believe in equality but because they think the racism in the document didn’t go far enough.
The proposed tribal constitution passed by the Na’i Aupuni constitutional convention on February 26, 2016 is available at
http://big09.angelfire.com/NatHwnConstitAdopt022616.pdf
The proposed constitution is a splendid example of Hawaiian religious fascism, because it clearly and explicitly states three fundamental principles: (a) The Native Hawaiian Nation is racially exclusionary, restricted to people who have at least one drop of Hawaiian native blood; and (b) All lands and waters of the archipelago of the Hawaiian Islands shall belong to the Native Hawaiian Nation. In other words: This nation is of, by, and for the race exclusively; and the race owns all the lands and waters of Hawaii; and (c) The constitution reasserts the concept from the ancient Hawaiian religion, that ethnic Hawaiians have a genealogical relationship with the gods and the land, which is the basis of their race-based rights to control the government and how the lands are used.
Right up front in your face, the preamble says “we join together to affirm a government of, by, and for Native Hawaiian people” [i.e., of the race, by the race, and for the race], and “affirm our ancestral [i.e., race-based] rights and Kuleana to all lands, waters, and resources of our islands and surrounding seas.” [i.e., we’re gonna take over the whole place, just like Kamehameha did, who was known as “Ka Na’i Aupuni” — the conqueror.] “We reaffirm the National Sovereignty of the Nation. We reserve all rights to Sovereignty and Self-determination, including the pursuit of independence. Our highest aspirations are set upon the promise of our unity and this Constitution.”
The plain language in the preamble is the declaration of a race-war from a gathering blatantly labeled “Na’i Aupuni” which means “Conquest.” Zuri Aki, a delegate to the convention and prolific writer at Honolulu Civil Beat online newspaper, published an article on February 29 three days after the constitution was adopted. A third-year law student at UH Manoa, he identified himself as “chief drafter” of the Drafting Committee — the group responsible for putting together the Constitution. His role as chief drafter of the constitution gives extra significance to his description of how he grew up: “I was preparing for a war that I had never asked to be a part of. A war that every Kanaka Maoli, of Native Hawaiian, was born into and one that every Kanaka Maoli fights in, one way or another.” The constitution he wrote was the opening salvo in Hawaii’s version of the rebel guns at Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861.
In case there’s any doubt about racial exclusivity, Article 2 — Citizenship — says “A citizen of the Native Hawaiian Nation is any descendant of the aboriginal and indigenous people who, prior to 1778, occupied and exercised sovereignty in the Hawaiian Islands and is enrolled in the nation.”
Article 7, Section 4 reaffirms the religious belief that ethnic Hawaiians have a genealogical relationship with the islands, saying “The Nation has a right, duty, and kuleana, both individually and collectively, to sustain the ‘Aina (land, kai, wai, air) as an ancestor, source of mana, and source of life and well-being for present and future generations. And Article 8 says “The Government shall not … Make any law with intent to suppress traditional Native Hawaiian religion or beliefs.”
Lilikala Kame’eleihiwa has proclaimed for 25 years her vision for the master-servant relationship she believes ethnic Hawaiians have a god-given right to exercise, after they win the race war now proclaimed in the constitution’s preamble. In her 1992 book “Native Land and Foreign Desires” she uses the term “foreigner” to refer to anyone who lacks Hawaiian native ancestry; thus, even a Caucasian or Asian person whose family has been born and raised in Hawaii for eight generations spanning perhaps 200 years would be called a “foreigner.”
Here’s what Lilikala says, starting at page 325: “Foreigners must learn to behave as guests in our ‘aina and give respect to the Native people. If foreigners cannot find it in their hearts to do this, they should leave Hawaii. If foreigners truly love Hawaiians they must support Hawaiian sovereignty. They must be humble and learn to serve Hawaiians. If foreigners love us and want to support our political movements they must never take leadership roles. Leadership must be left to [ethnic] Hawaiians … Foreigners who love us can donate their land and money into a trust fund for Hawaiian economic self-sufficiency … and the Native initiative for sovereignty.”
This is what the Hawaiian Studies program teaches at every campus of UH and community colleges. It’s what Danno and Boss believe. It’s what I oppose. They are the racists and haters.
DannoBoy, the 1893 Overthrow began in 1874. Published on 11/28/2008 7:22:13 AM
“The overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom begins in 1874: Feb 12, 1874: Kalakaua elected king; Apr 30, 1874: The new government bldg (Aliiolani Hale) opened for public inspection; Sept 9, 1876: The Reciprocity Treaty was ratified and Hawaii would not seek favor from another power; Jun 30, 1887: the adoption of a new Constitution, Liliuokalani charged Kalakaua of cowardice; Apr, 1889: Liliuokalani planned insurrection by the League headed by R.W. Wilcox; Jul 30, 1889: R.W. Wilcox occupy the Aliiolani and by evening the fighting ends with the insurgents surrendering to Kalakaua; Jan 29, 1891 Liliuokalani becomes queen (1891-1893), appoints C.B. Wilson as marshal of the Kingdom; Mar 1892: An abortive revolution led by the Ashford brothers and Robert W. Wilcox of the Liberal Party. The objective was to establish a Republic and then educate the people for future annexation to United States; Aug 30, 1892: The lottery bill supported by Mr. C.B. Wilson was tabled due to strong opposition by the legislature; Sep 1892: Liliuokalani and legislature are deadlocked on control because of differences on the opium and lottery bills; 1892: Liliuokalani yields and appoints a conservative cabinet of G.N. Wilcox, P.C. Jones, Mark Robinson, and Cecil Brown; Jan 9, 1893: Liliuokalani dismisses the G.N. Wilcox cabinet, receives strong opposition from the legislature relating to the lottery and opium bills, and to a new Constitution; Jan 12, 1893: The lottery and opium license bills approved by the legislative body; Jan 13, 1893: Liliuokalani announced the presentation of the new constitution and schedules a public announcement of the new constitution for January 14, 1893; Jan 16, 1893: Marines and sailors from USS Boston come ashore to protect American property. The marines were sent to U.S. Embassy and the sailors to Arion Hall (Old Downtown Post Office); Jan 17, 1893: The Committee of Safety occupies Aliiolani Hale and Mr. Cooper reads the proclamation abrogating the monarchy and establishes the provisional government. Liliuokalani surrenders to United States and surrenders is under protest.”
Conklin: “I believe we are all equal in the eyes of God and we should all be treated equally under the law, regardless of race.”
If this is true, then what do you make of the history of the United States of America for non-whites? Do you not see that from a century before its founding in 1776 and through Civil War, Reconstruction and Jim Crow Era, in significant ways even to this day (health disparities, police shootings, poverty, underfunded schools, incarceration rates, voting restrictions), the country you idealize has embodied white supremacist values? Values you say you oppose?
If you really do, then why do you refuse to acknowledge that on any measure of racial justice, the Hawaiian Kingdom was vastly superior to the United Sates and that the Committee on safety were racist? Why don’t you speak out against the United States’ 300 years of violent degeneracy with the same fervor you devote to criticizing the peaceful Hawaiian Kingdom? Is it because it feels better to you, more “right”, to clothe this violent degeneracy in the lofty words of the slaveholding founders and the colors of “old glory”, as if people here won’t see the rotted flesh underneath? Well, guess what. You can’t cover the stench of truth with hollow idealism that is contradicted by the historical facts.
Trying to do distract attention from your nation’s violent and racist identity by picking on Native Hawaiians who are simply trying to preserve their land and existence reflects the America’s bullying reputation and hypocrisy. The fact is, in order to satisfy the laws and expectations of the United States Department of Interior, these humble folks were compelled to craft a constitution for a subservient nation that is racially exclusive. It is clear that this group would have preferred restoration of their independent, sovereign, peaceful, multicultural, racially equitable nation.
Your criticism od this recent constitutional convention is like a group of pale-skinned men enslaving millions of dark-skinned men, women and children, denying them rights, then setting up a system of separate schools, restaurants and bathrooms, and to top it off calling them racist for using these “coloreds only” facilities.
Presumably your European-American ancestors supported and benefitted from a privileged position compared to those who were not seen as “white”. While they waves the flag and bragged about liberty, many of these second-class citizens were denied opportunities and basic rights. Your white ancestors evidently survived the 19th and 20th centuries, unlike so many native Hawaiians. European-American flourished while Hawaiians and other native peoples nearly died out.
I don’t know you personally, Kenny, but it is clear that in your voluminous postings you rant and rave about Hawaiian racism and nit pick Hawaiian history and current events looking for any evidence of this, no matter how insignificant. It is also clear that you praise the overthrow and the glories of the United States, yet have no interest in acknowledging the extreme violence and racism, past or present, that pervades your nation.
I’m sure you have heard this before.
BTW, the Red Sox lost again. When they have good pitching, they can’t hit, and when they are slammin the ball, they can’t pitch.
Tow the Falls of Clyde out to open ocean, point it to Boston then tie Captain Ahab Conklin to the mast. Two pilau problems pau.
Odd that KS would encourage this behavior. Princess Pauahi Bishop was a strong advocate of Westernization and close relations with the uSA. She felt Hawaiin culture and America were compatible. Her white American husband, who really co-founded the school with her, was adored by her and he was an annexationist. Someone needs to educate KS in its founders’s wishes and history.
If Pauahi knew half of what was commonplace in America at the time, there’s no way she would have found the two nations/cultures to be compatible. To use Kenny’s term, she was “brainwashed”, in this case by American propaganda.
Let’s hope one day you too, Allie, are able to see through the tattered veil offered by professor Conklin, and look at the big picture for yourself.
You are, therefore, essentially saying that Pauahi was so ignorant of what was going on in America that she had no idea of what was “commonplace” at that time. How interesting. I always thought that she was well informed, broad-minded, worldly and with many connections to life outside of Hawaii. What a weak-minded woman she was that she was so easily “brainwashed” as you say by American propaganda.
As an indigenous Mandan I have studied Pauahi Bishop carefully. She was well educated and hardly brain -washed. How quaint that you think as a Hawaiian woman she had to be brainwashed by whites. Not the record hon and it is very condescending to suggest it. I have never met Conklin. I read primary sources and form my own judgment. Pauahi wanted KS to preserve Hawaiian culture but also assist in the Westernization of Hawaiian children. She saw good in both. As most Hawaiians do today.
Is there evidence she witnessed the horrific conditions and treatment of the millions of slaves in the US? The lynching of their men, the rapes of their women and children, the beating of their Kupuna? Was she aware of how Hawaiians who literally pioneered the Pacific northwest had their lands taken because they weren’t white?
Was she aware that the Civil war to free the slaves was driven by the abolitionists, were moved to action by Harriet Beacher Snow, who was inspired by the dignity, charisma and aloha of the brown-skinned Henry ‘Opukaha’ia and Thomas Hopu when she was a girl?
Did she know details about how the US Government cheated and massacred the native Americans?
I suspect Pauahi did not have full knowledge of such things, and that the Americans she knew did not know much of this themselves. It wasn’t talked about. I know of no evidence that the system of racial oppression and atrocities that permeated the US was discussed in the Hawaiian papers. The real events and facts were twisted or supressed by a sanitized, white-washed version of events.
We now know better (some of us anyway), but only because the historical evidence has come out over time.
Any of us, living in that time, would have been swayed by the biased version of events, the selective omissions and the propaganda. To imply that I disrespect Pauahi or her abilities is wrong. That certainly is not my view.
IRT Makua- BEST COMMENT EVER – great post for all to understand and agree upon.
Makua for Mayor
The Falls of Clyde adds nothing to Honolulu harbor. With RIMPAC 2016 about to start, I suggest it would make an excellent target for the collected navies to shoot at!
The alternative is to use it as an artificial reef/dive spot outside of waikiki. Remove the bell, ship wheel, and other artifacts for a display at bishop museum.
Bingo
agree. No, this ship is of little historical interest and should never have been brought here. We have wasted way too much money on this insignificance. There are many, many more historical ships at good mainland harbor exhibits. The ship is in no way worth the money or the worry. We have far more important needs here.
If only we could figure out how to put it in the natatorium . . .
Or on the grounds of the Iolani Palace or Bishop Museum?
President, Gandhi International Institute for Peace, Raj Kumar actually seems to believe that It is also time to close loopholes and make stricter gun laws to prevent more violence.
No “stricter” gun law yet proposed would have prevented the Islamic evil doer from turning the homosexual night club into his own private abattoir.
One major problem is that the gun laws we have NOW are unenforceable. Doubt that? Look at Chicago or DC. Toughest gun laws in the nation, yet the black on black massacre goes on and on.
Don Trump is right. We need to – –
>>re-instate FBI mosque surveillance and sting operations that the current occupant of the White House stopped cold;
>>mount an aggressive Israeli style profiling effort to ferret out Islamic evil doers so as to nip their bloody plans in the bud;
>>temporarily suspend ALL immigration ~~ and permanently end ALL Muslim immigration ~~ until we can get our act together sufficiently to learn how to vet all who would apply for entry at an excruciating level of detail.
Trump’s racist disrespect for our country’s social norms should be ignored.
With every new Muslim terror attack, Don Trump looks more and more like a prophet.
Free preschool education for needy kids.
Walking the streets of Bangkok for early education for “needy” kids.
Teach parents some skills so they can earn money for their ‘needy’ kids.
single mothers on their own have a teriffic struggle. It’s not so simple.
Where are the fathers?
Everyone is struggling. Especially the hard working people you want to take their hard earned money from. Not only do they support their own family but you want take their money and give it to other people’s kids. Don’t you have any dignity to support your own?
keep their legs closed. seems simple to me.
Free preschool for ALL kids.
Have less kids?
yes!
Doesn’t work. Isn’t free (nothing is).
Wrong. The benefits to the state outweigh the costs. The state profits.
Preschool is not not legally mandatory for all kids. Many parents with one parent at home provide good preschool experience.
But for those unfortunate kids whose parent(s) can not provide, the state should provide aid.
I hate seeing this argument – “If they truly feel this way, Wong should not accept any non-Native Hawaiian taxpayer monies included in his salary or retirement and the graduates of this school should not accept any U.S. government scholarships or grants.”
It’s ridiculous. I think if they got their country back, they would gladly oblige, but that’s not the reality they are faced with. Legally, they are bound to America and can’t exercise their decision. THIS is their ʻāina. Disregarding that and telling them to go elsewhere is ignorant. Telling them they should not accept aid in bettering their situation (which was worsened because of occupation), is just dumb. The US of A gives out plenty of foreign aid nowadays and they can treat it as such. Plus it’s an assumption they are. If that’s the case, do they also get to opt out of taxes? Do their parents get a reimbursement of the taxes they’ve paid? Get real and stick to the issue.
I agree with the first point. Even when it’s a foreign anthem you stand and pay respect. You don’t need to sing, you don’t need to give a pledge of allegiance, but you can at least stand as requested. Unfortunately an overzealous member of Kamehameha’s administrators (trust me, it probably wasn’t Lindsey that wrote that letter) decided to blow this issue beyond a handful of students not conforming to standards and expectations to a full scaled Kamehameha Schools: Civil War. At least Wong’s on the right side of history. Until the very last aloha ʻāina!
They want the money not to give respect.
I hope that Raj Kumar will speak for the Palestinian people’s human rights,too,, they have been under siege by ZIONIST terrorists since 1947-48. The Israeli gov.,propped up by misguided US Gov., has long illegally occupied PALESTINE, practiced genocide. 40% of Palestinian children detained by ISRAEL are sexually abused; virtually all tortured. Children are used as targets by IDF snipers, abused physically and verbally by obscene Israeli settlers. Gandhi spoke against establishing an ISRAEL state in Palestine. The media was quick to call this massacre an act of terrorism, because the individual was Muslim, but more facts are indicating a disturbed young man about his own sexuality. Calling him a jihadist is sensationalizing. I would agree that individuals and the media often twists the Quran. I would agree with stricter gun laws. Gov. Ige should sign the two resolutions into law. I can agree that valuing human life is missing in America’s Policies, daily life. So much hatred, and violent responses expressed by Trump & Clinton to this incident.
And yet you write such hatred in the comfort of your American home, free from the fear of reprisal as a product of our Judeo Christian laws. I am praying for you and your anger to subside…
Lady, you are certifiable. Please prove your statements with references (other than the PA or Hamas): Genocide: Is not/has not happened. Sexual abuse: cite a reference (other than the PA). IDF snipers targeting children: Lunacy. What Ghandi said: Who cares. The world rushed to recognize Israel at its founding. Orlando: The media bent over backwards NOT to expose the ISIS influence. The DOJ’s first impulse was to censor references to Islam.
True Israelis have abused their Palestinian neighbors in a horrible way. Unless the media reports honestly on that, nothing will be done.
The Fall of Clydes is a jewel of by gone days that graces the harbor. It’s unfortunate that the city, state do not recognize this tourist attraction, and fund accordingly.
No hon, it is no jewel. One can find many historical ships, with real historical value, on the mainland. Nobody comes to Hawaii to see an old rust bucket with no significance like this. dump it. Hawaii has many more needs.
It’s part of our history. We want to preserve history. It helps us to understand how we have gotten to our present.
Spokane like a malahini!
Oh Raj Kumar [Florida incident was attack on humanity], I am so glad to hear you are now supporting the Pro Life movement where we have been defending innocent life from mass execution that has “spread like cancer across America”. Those “extremist individuals” at the Family Planning terrorism unit twist choice of the powerful over innocent babies for the sake of convenience. No need for gun laws here because the knife must be stopped. So thank you for finally understanding how rules of personal convenience can negatively affect so many.
And I suppose you have never indulged in mast ur bat ion which would kill off and waste all of those life-generating sper mat azoa whenever you e jac u late.
I understand the Students have been indoctrinated vice educated, and I understand their desire to make a statement, and their right to express themselves. The real lesson here is your actions have consequences and you must accept that, live with it, and stop hiding behind what happened 150 years ago which has no bearing on your life today.
Don’t believe him, he’ll do anything if he thinks it will get him elected. He is going for the triple play. It worked twice before. First switch, tell the voters the rail is going to UH. Second switch, tell Cachola that the rail is going thru Salt lake.
Now for piece de resistance of his deceptions, tell the gullible voters that he wants to stop rail at Middle st. In the backrooms he’s telling PRP and cronies don’t worry, IF he gets re-elected he’ll shift it back to Ala moana.
Caldwell is doing an excellent job.
Caldwell is doing an excellent job of being two faced.
wiliki says: “Caldwell is doing an excellent job.”
…of helping Charles Djou get elected
IRT Johnson. I also am disappointed in the action of the students and especially a faculty member. Respect for all Nations Anthem is paramount in our world.