For Donald Trump, a day of political whiplash on immigration
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump speaks during a joint statement with Mexico’s President Enrique Pena Nieto in Mexico City.
COLUMBUS, Ohio >> For weeks, Donald Trump flirted with a self-described “softening” of the hard-line immigration policies that propelled him to the Republican nomination, raising the hopes of party officials, some Hispanic leaders and skeptical voters unnerved by his presidential candidacy.
On Wednesday, he appeared on the brink of embracing that shift as he traveled to Mexico for a dramatic visit with President Enrique Pena Nieto. Against the backdrop of grand diplomatic pageantry, Trump lavished praise on America’s southern neighbor and pointedly avoided insisting publicly that Mexico pay for the wall he’s pledged to build along the U.S.-Mexico border.
He was measured and soft-spoken, almost deferential as he read carefully off prepared notes.
Within hours, Trump wiped it all away.
In a lengthy and fiery address on immigration in Phoenix, the Republican nominee said in no uncertain terms that Mexico would indeed pay for his border wall. He lambasted millions of immigrants as violent criminals and a drain on the U.S. government. And he vowed that no person living in the United States illegally could chart a path to legal status without first leaving the country.
“There will be no legal status or becoming a citizen of the United States by illegally entering our country,” Trump declared, even has he sidestepped the dilemma about what to do with those who might stay in the country anyway — failing to address the major question that has frustrated past congressional attempts at remaking the nation’s immigration laws.
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Even for Trump — who has made an art of straddling both sides of an issue and playing to the preferences of the audience he’s standing before — the political whiplash was astounding. It reflected the tortured debate between Trump and his advisers over how to position the unconventional candidate in the general election — a debate that rages on, even with just over two months until Election Day.
To be sure, Trump’s daylong foray across the border and back was a bold gamble, reflecting his urgent need to shake up his race against Democrat Hillary Clinton. While polls have tightened nationally and in some key battleground states, Clinton has a massive advantage over Trump in what it takes to turn votes out in key swing states.
She also has multiple paths to the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House, while Trump’s roadmap is far narrower.
The hastily announced visit to Mexico seemed intended to remind voters of Trump’s brash, play-by-my-own-rules approach to politics. Trump was willing to risk traveling to a country where he is deeply unpopular and to meet with a leader who has been sharply critical of his views, going so far as to compare him to Adolf Hitler.
The reward? Voters now have an image of Trump in a presidential setting, standing side-by-side with a world leader behind a lectern, listening patiently to a translator relay his counterpart’s remarks.
Trump advisers were jubilant after the visit, as was the candidate. One aide described the businessman as “very, very pumped” as his plane traveled to Phoenix for the day’s final event.
But while Trump was in the air, the drama that never seems far from his campaign resurfaced. While Trump had told reporters in Mexico he and Pena Nieto did not discuss who would pay for the proposed border wall, the Mexican leader — after staying silent as Trump did so — tweeted, “I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall.”
By the time Trump took the stage in Phoenix, any expectations for a softer immigration position or a more restrained candidate were squashed.
Trump raged against what he called President Barack Obama and Clinton’s “open borders” policy, accusing the Democrats of caring more about immigrants living in the U.S. illegally than American citizens. Feeding off the energy of a wholly supportive crowd, he said any person in the country illegally who is arrested for “any crime whatsoever” will be immediately placed into deportation proceedings.
And in the night’s most emotional moment, he invited relatives of people killed by such immigrants to the stage, encouraging them to each stand before the microphone to say their loved one’s name aloud.
Clinton’s campaign was unshaken by Trump’s attempt. Campaign chairman John Podesta first declared Trump “choked” by not raising the issue of payment for a border wall with Pena Nieto, then later accused the Republican of having lied about the meeting.
And in a show of confidence, Clinton’s campaign announced early Thursday morning that it planned to run its first television advertisements in Arizona, a state with a large Hispanic population that has been at the center of the nation’s immigration debate. Only one Democrat — Bill Clinton — has won Arizona since 1952.
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Were any Trumpsters embarrassed at how nervous, almost effeminate he looked while saying nice things about the Mexican people?
Did you feel doubt, just a few hours later, when he gave his macho immigration speech?
And afterward, did you say to yourself, “He didn’t clarify anything!”?
It’s ok to be disappointed, even angry, that he betrayed the very doctrine that got him the GOP nomination. It is NOT ok to continue to take this insincere rhetoric from this person.
Kool-Aid’s on sale this weekend. Stock-up before the storm.
Was an obvious shock to libs based on your skewed post. hiLIARy resting up for the 1st debate…wonder how many months she needs to “rest” up? Stamina and fitness maybe hiLIARy’s downfall and not her deceit despicable untrustworthiness traits.
“It’s hard to imagine that the excursion could have gone better for Trump. It’s not that his insta-diplomacy will suddenly make Trump popular among Hispanic voters, but it adds to the sense that he can be reasonable, that he isn’t some hothead who will drag us into a trade war.
Clinton, as a former secretary of State, doesn’t need to do this sort of thing. But she is also too risk-averse to stage such a meeting without the details having been negotiated in advance.
Trump’s challenge in his Arizona speech was just as great: how to reconcile his tough primary rhetoric, especially about kicking out all the people who are in this country illegally, with the electoral reality that he needs to expand his base.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/01/trumps-mexico-gamble-pays-off-as-tries-his-hand-at-insta-diplomacy.html
The Donald has been working hard the past couple of weeks and the POLLS are reflecting the CHANGE. A couple of POLLS today show him taking the lead!
Name these polls?
ike..go to The Daily Mail
Please. Don’t even get me started on a UK paper polling on a US election. Sample size, communication instrument, methodology, posit structure…….
Summarily, every US poll has her leading, and moreover, leading in ALL key swing. Which is bad enough for Trump, but he needs to sweep ALL of these states…..not happening.
Hey sarge if you can call Trump a reasonable man then I agree with you till he crosses the line then disagree with you. Crosses the line again agree, cross the line disagree, get it.
Trump will deceive his unsuspecting followers with faulty evidence, like looking for some obscure poll that says anything favorable for him. The FACTS, which the Clinton camp is confidently aware of, are that she’s winning in key states, meaning that she’s solidly on a path to a lopsided win.
The Trump campaign continues to stir up the same 30-something percent of voters who already are voting for him. They ignore the 10th grade level analysis of electoral votes and battleground states. Yesterday’s “exciting immigration speech” (after a meek photo op speech in Mexico), only excited his current fan base. He got NO NEW VOTERS yesterday, and as of today, seems to be losing what little Latino support he’s had.
Btw, if Trump fans are unable to acknowledge that he has changed his stances a number of times—sometimes twice in a week—there’s no point in explaining the facts (the plain and simple facts).
Bull-hit he flips like a pancake. When he was in Mexico he looked meek and scared. He said what he said to save his sorry a-s in a country that wants pound on him literally like a piñata. Once back on American ground he is back to the loud mouth punk pus-y that he is. He is a coward and the so called elite repubublicans who still support him are using him as a life raft and puppet because for them there is no other choice. They’re making a very dangerous choice because he is a puppet with a sick mind and will consume them once he gets what he wants from them.
IRT Ike, try Rasmussen Trump +1 8/24 – 8/30 and LA Times Trump +3 8/25 – 8/31. The National polls has begun to turn “Red” with Mr. Trump leading, as we see more within the margin of error. Most important is the polls of individual States, and States that are considered critical for Mr. Trump to reach the 270 electoral votes. The States are closing and more turning in Mr. Trumps favor. And, it is still not Labor Day.
Kuro, in the know of polls will tell you that is a outlier for a variety of reasons and in some ways biased. Using a more balanced and objective collective polling, like 538, which takes a grouping of polls, during the same period, obtains far more accurate results.
Those still have HRC in a 5-6 % lead, and leading in all key swing states.
IRT Ike, nice try, again. You posted, “Name these polls.” They have been named.
These polls are rather dubious and not even utilized in culmative poll averaging….if you want to really believe abberational numbers, go ahead, but you do yourself no favors in the long run.
Poll participation has steadily declined to the point where predictions based off their results have become less significant than ever. This race won’t be over until November.
IRT Ike, add IBD/TIPP Tie 8/26 – 9/1; and Fox News -2 (within margin) 8/28 – 8/30.
Hillary? Trump has a brain freeze for years, he needs a break more than her. He’s soft, he’s hard, he’s soft, he’s hard, he’s soft. He may need more than a vacation. Has ED of the brain. Go Repub’s!
I need to see a list of Republicans who are endorsing Trump. Can SA do one? I’d like to know if these guys will win their state so at least I know what kind of people live there so I make sure not to vacation or even pass through those states.
Haha You better not even fly over them. “Make America Great Again”
Much like how Cankles and Obozo supporters evade answering a direct question.
Cankles? Obozo?
Are you twelve years old?
Just answer the question. Stay on point.
IRT MillionMonkeys, and all the whiplash came from liberal democrats and establishment republicans. Mr. Trump handed the “guts” of the coward establishment republicans on a sliver platter. Outstanding job by Mr. Trump.
How would you know what outstanding looks like–I mean-do you have some expertise or relevant experience to make such qualifications?
That’s what I thought…..crickets.
IRT Ike, Outstanding was written on my Award Orders, when awarded my CIB in Vietnam. The Orders were dated 28 March 1969, Department of the Army, Headquarters 101st Airborne Division, APO San Francisco 96583. And, more followed.
What’s a sliver platter…is that what they give folks who losers an election for a shoo-in for governor???
Trump and the Mob.
C’mon, development in NYC and Atlantic City, you know in a variety of ways there is an intersection with the Italian Mob.
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Donald Trump’s real-estate developments in Atlantic City and New York led him to deal with members of organized crime and people like the late Robert LiButti, a racehorse trader and gambler. WSJ’s Michael Rothfeld joins Lunch Break to discuss. Photo: Getty
By MICHAEL ROTHFELD and ALEXANDRA BERZON
Sept. 1, 2016 9:35 a.m. ET
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In 1981, a young and ambitious Donald Trump sat down with federal agents and discussed his calculation in entering the mob-infested world of Atlantic City casinos.
He acknowledged it might tarnish the reputation his family built through traditional real-estate development in New York. He was aware a business partner in the New Jersey beach town knew people who might be unsavory. A Federal Bureau of Investigation agent advised Mr. Trump there were easier ways he could invest, said an FBI memo recounting the discussion.
Mr. Trump went ahead and built an Atlantic City casino, ultimately owning four. Etc, see:http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-dealt-with-a-series-of-people-who-had-mob-ties-1472736922?mod=e2fb
There, as well as in his New York real-estate work, Mr. Trump, now the Republican nominee for president, dealt with people who had ties to organized crime, a Wall Street Journal examination confirms.
HiLIARy Clinton and the Clinton Foundation are organized crime,so what’s the problem?
IRT Ike, Mr. Trump and the Mob? Give us a break. Can you provide us the conviction(s) of Mr. Trump and the Mob? You know better than most about personal relationships and friendships that most, correct.
That was the Wall Street Journal…..not some gossip pealing rag.
Trumpzi did not hand anyone’s guts on a platter. Reasonable, intelligent Republicans are turning their backs on him:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-republicans-idUSKCN1175Z3
Stop blaming the media or rigged elections when you are down. Blame yourself, Donald.
The most remarkable thing about the whole Trump run is how he has been able to convince even one person that he’s competent to make national policy decisions. I had no idea that so many Americans were so incredibly gullible.
That’s how you felt with OBAMACARE? You know..you said that IS O’s greatest achievement..O’s SIGNATURE LEGACY.
I always felt he was snake oil salesman and proved right.
Since you beg the question, here are a few:
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
You are wasting space. What were Obozo’s achievements was the question. Typical Lawyer response, gobbledygook. I liked the mob story better. Trump 2016
Wow Ike, you just provided us the 30 reasons why the Hawaii born President Obama is a failed President of the United States. Mahalo.
Oh, and for good boot, he saved the auto industry and made the US money doing it, his economy has added 15.0 million private sector jobs over the last 77 months of consecutive economic growth—
And he took 60% less vacation days than Bush….yes, George W was a very lazy boy.
I guess you think the Community Organizer was an expert of national and foreign policy in 2008. Boy, has he proved he is not and expert, and coupled with Cankles as Sec State, they proved it.
The two know-nothings single handedly blew up the Middle east.
Right and Bush had noting to do with it huh.
Bush won and Obama lost it. Junior should have listened to his old man though and stayed out.
Klastri is having conniptions over Trump’s trip to Mexico but it is trying to hide it with what he thinks is a cool, calm and collected comment.
You’re lying again. As always.
You are unable to write anything that’s truthful. Anything. Ever.
I agree 100% but gullible is too nice a description for his supporters. What they truly are cannot be printed.
Perfect description of HiLIARy’s sheep. Evading the law for forty years and you all believe her BS. Sixth grade mentality rules. Classified emails to be released and Clinton Foundation still in play. Wiki wiki
Great Presidential presence. Was a homerun no matter how you look at it.
TRUMP PENCE 2016
“Make America Great Again”
After that sham of a a display yesterday, a couple of items are extraordinarily clear:
Trump is entirely unprepared for this position;
Trump will say whatever and do whatever to gain a momentary glimmer of applause and approval;
Trump has no compass or core to his beliefs, except for money and self-adulation;
and Trump is the passive and receiving party of political cuckold, he has no more spine than a polywog, and whenever he does not hold every card in the deck, like every exposed bully I have meet in my lifetime, when punched in the mouth, he whimpers, poo poos his pants and shirks back into the shadows.
Trump did great. Very presidential. “Make America Great Again”
If it was so “great”, why did half, yes half, of his Hispanic advisors/counsel, quit this morning?????
Republicans have captured a small % of Hispanic voters historically…no news…have to wait after the election to see how many.
Did you see the POLLS…hiLIARy lost her spread…ahem…meant the numbers.
Keoni, these were HIS advisors, his hand picked and selected Hispanic advisors. So, repulsive was his performance yesterday that his OWN advisors quit……so very telling.
Classified emails and the Clinton Foundation should be the main topic not who is going to pay for the wall. Lock her up.
Hahahha, stay on topic and answer the direct question at hand. Why did half of his Latino advisors quit this morning—WHY?
You have to ask them why they quit. Meanwhile back to the important issues of the day that MSM ignores…..NEW YORK – FBI Director James Comey has a long history of involvement in Department of Justice actions that arguably ended up favorable to the Clintons.
In 2004, Comey, then serving as a deputy attorney general in the Justice Department, apparently limited the scope of the criminal investigation of Sandy Berger, which left out former Clinton administration officials who may have coordinated with Berger in his removal and destruction of classified records from the National Archives. The documents were relevant to accusations that the Clinton administration was negligent in the build-up to the 9/11 terrorist attack.
On Tuesday, Comey announced that despite evidence of “extreme negligence by Hillary Clinton and her top aides regarding the handling of classified information through a private email server, the FBI would not refer criminal charges to Attorney General Loretta Lynch and the Justice Department.
Curiously, Berger, Lynch and Cheryl Mills all worked as partners in the Washington law firm Hogan & Hartson, which prepared tax returns for the Clintons and did patent work for a software firm that played a role in the private email server Hillary Clinton used when she was secretary of state.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/comey-has-long-history-of-clinton-related-cases/#JWzyAt2qxT2d78Pm.99
Sarge, are you dense and dull? The issue of the day is directed by the headline of the article, not something you randomly interject.
Towards the end of keep on topic–
Having ditched his traveling press corps, Trump’s lie that he and President Enrique Peña Nieto didn’t discuss who would pay for his border wall wasn’t exposed until the Mexican president tweeted that they had a few hours later. And minutes after he stepped onto another stage here Wednesday night and began to speak to his raucous supporters, it was even more clear that the sojourn across the southern border, much like his campaign’s two weeks of gentle walkbacks, was a ruse — that Trump and his campaign had used Peña Nieto as a prop in an opening act that served only to set up an evening stemwinder. The farce was, in hindsight, clear even before Trump approached the mic, as two of his warm-up speakers, Rudy Giuliani and Jeff Sessions, donned Trump hats that read “Make Mexico Great Again too.”
Time after time, the crowd of more than 5,000 people, clad in red Trump hats and waving campaign signs, erupted unprompted into chants of “Build the wall!” and “Lock her up!”
In the Arizona desert, hours after he spoke of his affinity for the Mexican people and the shared priorities of the two neighboring countries, Trump railed for nearly 90 minutes about the many ways undocumented immigrants are hurting the country and harming Americans. He promised not just to build a border wall, but also to empower a massive new “deportation task force” of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to round them up.
“You can call it deported if you want. The press doesn’t like that term,” Trump said. “You can call it whatever the hell you want. They’re gone!
He reverted to the tough talk he was unable to muster on foreign soil just hours earlier about Mexico paying for the wall. Toward the end of his speech, he used the personal anecdotes of mothers whose children were killed by undocumented immigrants to further demonize “illegals.” He blamed the deaths of “countless Americans” on President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and their immigration policies.
A senior Clinton campaign adviser acknowledged that Trump’s daring Mexico gambit seemed effective and thus worrisome for a few hours Wednesday — until his speech a few hours later. “Not worried anymore,” the adviser said. “The Nuremberg speech put all that statesman-like stuff away.”
Rather than issuing a statement criticizing the speech, Clinton’s campaign sent reporters a collection of tweets praising it — from noted white supremacists like David Duke and conservative provocateur Ann Coulter.
For weeks, Trump had dithered on the issue that has defined his candidacy from the start, suggesting that the question of what to do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country was more difficult than he’d heretofore suggested as he vowed to send them all home. Kellyanne Conway, his newly hired campaign manager, praised his newfound recognition of the issue’s complexity; and his inner circle of advisers grappled with how to better sell Trump’s tough policies to a general election audience.
Ultimately, however, Trump was seemingly attempting to sell a slightly softened position on deportations to the base that voted for him in the primaries largely because of that stance. Trump’s revived bombast and the 10-pronged list of immigration policy ideas were actually a clumsy effort to obscure the fact that he is no longer vowing to immediately deport every undocumented immigrant in the country illegally (just as many as possible in a more gradual manner starting with 2 million who have criminal records).
“They’re going out fast,” he said. “Moving forward, we will issue detainers for illegal immigrants who are arrested for any crime whatsoever, and they will be placed into immediate removal proceedings, if we even have to do that.
“We will terminate the Obama administration’s deadly, and it is deadly, nonenforcement policies that allow thousands of criminal aliens to freely roam our streets, walk around, do whatever they want to do — crime all over the place. That’s over. That’s over, folks. That’s over.”
But in trying so hard to present his proposals as a hardening of his position, he’s unlikely to accomplish the only real imperative of any policy speech delivered 69 days before an election — winning over unconverted general election voters. And Trump’s amped-up nativism, and his proposal to curb even legal immigration are likely to only harden the two blocs of ardently pro-Trump and never-Trump monoliths on opposite poles of this election.
The irony in Trump’s pre-Labor Day base play is that many of his supporters don’t need harsher rhetoric or unwavering policy positions to turn out for him in November. Many, in fact, don’t take his promises of deporting all undocumented immigrants or forcing Mexico to pay for a border wall all that literally.
“He’s never going to be able to get 11 million people out of the country,” said Steve Hagely, a Trump supporter from ucson standing near the back of the crowd inside the cavernous, concrete-floored convention center. “It’s just something he says.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-immigration-address-227616#ixzz4J1upZ1A9
“Build the wall!” and “Lock her up!” Sounds good.
Great? I thought he wanted to drop a bomb in Mexico. He said a smart bomb that would only kill the bad ones. Hehe.
How many Mexicans work for Donald Trump?
What is an estimate?
Chaz Alexander
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If you mean legal citizens of the US who happened to have been born in Mexico but are here on legal and current work visas or have gone through the immigration process, then thousands. I believe somewhere between 3 and 4 thousand right now. If you mean illegal immigrants who came across the border and got fake SSNs then there’s no way to know that. However I would put money on it being pretty damn low.
Cricket crew, et al, riddle me this, if yesterday was such a smashing success, why did in less than 24 hours after that political farce, which bordered on some bad Benny Hill sketch, half, yes, half of his Hispanic advisory/counsel leadership, quit the campaign?????
Crickets…..chirp, chirp……ahhhh the comforting sound of awkward silence.
Hillary Clinton’s popularity has hit a new low with registered voters, according to the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll.
The poll, released Wednesday, shows just 41 percent of Americans have a positive view of Clinton while 56 percent have a negative view. Her unfavorable rating is up 6 percentage points in three weeks.
The numbers still show her doing better than Republican rival Donald Trump, whom just 35 percent view favorably. But Trump has long been the less popular candidate in such polls. Wednesday’s survey reflects the worst rating Clinton has had in her entire career, and a slide in her numbers since the Democratic National Convention in July.
The shift seems to correspond to renewed focus on her use of a private email server and alleged conflicts of interest during her tenure as secretary of state involving the Clinton Foundation.
Her popularity among women flipped from 54-43 percent last month to 45-52 percent this month. It’s the first time in more than a year that women have viewed Clinton so unfavorably.
Jacob Monty resigned with 1 reconsidering his support. ummm ok so that’s half you say? How many members are in that group(s)?
See: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-adviser-some-members-hispanic-advisory-board-consider-pulling-support/
More to resign, stay tuned…
“CBS”…MSM family….story needs confirmation, only 2 resigned. YOU stated …”half, yes, half of his Hispanic advisory/counsel leadership, quit the campaign?????”…WOW..you fabricate alot…ou need to stop lying (taking one from Klastri’s slam book).
Many Latino Republicans skeptical of Trump have said they decided to support him anyway because they oppose Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Some also have said they hoped Trump would change his rhetoric on Latinos, including with regards to immigration.
And some, including Monty, thought he had. He was one of the advisers who came out of a meeting with Trump last month thinking the nominee might be shifting away from his deportation-only approach to undocumented immigrants.
Monty told MSNBC that it may be that Trump “listens to whoever talks to him last,” and that’s why Trump spent the week after that meeting suggesting, and then backing away from, the idea of allowing some undocumented immigrants to stay.
Trump switch back to his hardline policies cost him the support of several other Hispanic advisers as well.
Massey Villarreal, a Houston-based businessman and another member of the advisory council, told NBC News that he would no longer vote for Trump.
“I’m going to flip, but not flop,” he said. “I am no longer supporting Trump for president, but cannot with any conscience support Hillary.”
Grace Flores Hughes, an author and former government official who was also on the council, told Fusion’s Casey Tolan that she was withdrawing her support.
Ramiro Pena, a Texas pastor and another member of the board, emailed campaign and Republican officials after the speech to say he thought it had killed Trump’s election chances, Politico reported. “I will pray over the next couple of days but it is difficult to [imagine] how I can continue to associate with the Trump campaign,” he wrote, according to Politico. “I owe my national audience an explanation.”
There are eight members, four have already resigned…..crickets.
IRT Ike, the National Hispanic Advisory Counsel was the brain child of the RNC and most of its members made up of established American Hispanic republicans intent to influence Mr. Trump on the immigration position. Mr. Trump was never influenced by this establishment republicans and his 10 points on Illegal immigration showed them up. Many expected members of the NHAC to leave the group. Maybe the remaining members will reorganize and bring in true American Hispanics into the organization to support Mr. Trump and Make America Great Again.
Define true Hispanics, as you place it? So, aside from losing historically poorly managed governors races your are also a de factor expert within the Latino community?? Please illuminate us on your sage insights within Hispanics….
IRT Ike, better check with yesterdays CBS report. It noted there are 23 members on the National Hispanic Advisory Counsel for Donald J. Trump. To date, two has resigned and two are considering resignation out of 23 members.
Difficult to vote for trump. Not as US President and a world leader. Unfortunately is too one track minded. Good salesman but not a good leader.
As expected, a lot of posts critical of Trump, yet he “showed up”. Apparently it’s “ok” that Hillary doesn’t, and she can’t even have a news conference. Is that Presidential? By the way, what is her policy on immigration? While you’re at it, what is the current policy on immigration. I guess if Hillary is elected the “policy” will continue. And you’re “ok” with that? I haven’t heard one Democrat, including Hillary, address how they intend to stop criminals from crossing the border and continuing to create havoc in the U.S.
You just stopped “ready2go” with the FACTS.
Clinton has already met the Mexican president, along with countless other world leaders on official business. That is a fact.
She doesn’t need the photo op, which Trump needed and compromised his statements for. FACT.
The Clinton Foundation was started by Bill, after he finished his presidency. It is recognized by all intelligent people as a top-rate organization that helps people, saves lives all over the world. The Clintons make ZERO personal profit from the foundation. FACT.
Trump is a poor reader, makes up stuff as he goes along, makes irresponsible accusations without looking for evidence. For example, insisting for years that Obama was born in Africa. No evidence, no attempt to look for evidence, and no concern about misleading his followers. FACT.
cajaybird loves Trump’s immigration policy, but what exactly is it? Trump, again, uses no evidence, no planning, just shouts out things that sound kinda neat, like “extreme vetting” and “Make Mexico pay for it.” But there already is a vetting process, and Trump offers NO NEW POINTS other than his cool phrases. The Mexican president told Trump they’re not paying for the wall, and Trump meekly went along with it—until he returned to US soil. FACT.
You can’t use Trump’s loose shout-outs as evidence. NO FACTS.
Well Million man, I can see you have never lived in a border state. Trump’s plan is to secure the border. The border is currently open. Ask the people who live on the border, or better yet, border agents. Having an open border is not a good policy. It’ not safe. If those coming across all voted Republican the military and land mines would likely be used to seal the border (I’m kidding about the land mines, because I know it will be repeated that cajay wants the border mined; that’s how some people operate). Hillary has never defined her plan past one or two sentences, just like when she says we need new, high paying jobs. Ask upstate N Yorker’s how that worked out when she was Sen. Any jobs created were only for her cronies, that’s how the Clintons operate. Tell me, do you believe Chelsea is worth 65k for a ten minute speech? Dems are being duped.
Cajaybird, I respect your personal knowledge of how things are near the border. And I am open to your wall plan.
But that is YOUR plan. Trump has no plan, just got a neat idea popped in his head and built his campaign on that initial idea, embellished with his macho promise to “make Mexico pay for it!”
He’s put as much thought into how to build the wall as the rail pushers did when they pushed it onto Oahu residents. As a result HART has been a colossal disaster.
What is Trump’s actual plan?
TO Millionmonkeys: Besdies a physical barrier, the most important part of his plan is to enforce existing laws. As you know, or current enforcement is a farce.
BTW, I agree with you about the rail project, but if Trump were to build it, there is no way it would triple in cost, etc. That’s the value of Trump, he’s not a politician who hasn’t produced in the real world. You’ll like Trump, so vote for him. You’ll be glad you did.
And what pray tell has Cankles offered as a leader? Oh yeah, building the Clinton slush fund known as the Clinton Foundation.
Having studied organizational behavior, I can confirm that what you say is common knowledge in the corporate world: You do NOT put a salesman in charge of the company. You send them out to stir things up, to bring attention to your company and products. If you reward a top salesman by giving him a management post, all heck breaks loose. Take a look at what happened at Trump Airlines, the ridiculous decisions he forced down his puzzled managers’ throats.
Take a look at the uncertainty about issues, the dramatic staff changes, the lack of vetting in his own campaign organization. THAT is what happens when you put a salesman in charge of the company.
Sorta like putting a Community Organizer in a POTUS office?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! It never ceases to Amaze me, to see how the MSM (AP)puts the Negative spin on Donald Trumps visit to Mexico!
If you seen the speech,you would know it was an excellent speech! & Yes it was “Toned Down”. So What! You have to,if you want come across being presidential. You don’t disrespect the president of Mexico or any President in the world.
If you havn’t seen the speech? Your’e just opining to AP’s blow back anti Trump rhetoric…Business as usual, nothing new to see here folks.
So “Where’s Waldo?” Where IS Waldo? Yeah! we know where ,probably meeting with all her RICH, Bankers, Wall Street,Billionaire, Hollywood Friends Donors. And NO negative feed back on this ? Really?
In the mean time Hillary get another ” Free Pass”! Because she did not show up to this historic meeting? Is it me or what? Is Hillary losing it?
By NOT visiting the Louisiana Flood victims and Now this? Major.Major Mistake!
I mean really folks, Really? Is that the Best the Left have?
ie: “Oh but Donald Trump didn’t mention that Mexico will be paying for the “WALL”! Is that it????
Yep!For my all you “Anti- Trump, Hillary Puppeteers” If you didn’t see the speech,don’t opine like you did.
Well said. I’m surprised how those who criticize Trump are not concerned about the fact that Hillary is “bought and paid for”. Here’s an example. Maybe reporters should ask how is that Chelsea Clinton is paid $65,000.00 for a ten minute speech. I wonder what she said during those ten minutes. How long does it take for the average HI citizen to make 65k? How does Hillary and Bill make over 100 million after they left the White House flat broke (her words, not mine)? Doesn’t that raise a red flag for all you Hillary supporters? I am genuinely interested in your response. Thx.
When the Clintons left the WH? They claimed they were”Dead Broke” I believe that was the terminology they used. But let’s define the Clintons “Dead Broke” theory. Bill left the WH with a salary of 200K. The Clintons made 4 times the amount the average American makes. And yet the were “Struggling”? Ahem! let me clear my throat.lol
And those MANSIONS? Brahhhhh! The $1.7 Million Chappaqua NY.Mansion and the $2.85 Million Embassy Row,Washington Mansion The Clintons owned? “Struggling to pay for?”
__ Courtesy, Washington Post__
Yes Indeed! Where is The Red Flag for all you Hillary supporters?
Man! If that’s what the Clinton’s definition of what Broke is! Sign me up! I wanna be Clinton Broke too! “Dead Broke!”. Haaaaaaa!
They had a negative net worth. That’s a generally accepted definition of dead broke.
Lame excuse for criminal activity. Can’t you do ant better?
sarge22 – Lame excuse? It’s called the truth. No – I can’t do better than that.
Public figures often get paid ridiculous amounts of money to speak. These include presidents, former members of congress, celebrities, failed presidential candidates, and may other types of celebrity, including family members of presidents. It is convenient that you cherry-pick Chelsea and use that as an example of some kind of corruption. A simple google search will show that Trump himself has had several speaking engagements in the 2000’s where he was paid $1,000,000 or more for each speech, yet you make no mention of that or how long it takes for the average HI citizen to make a million bucks. Keynote speaking is a great gig if there is a demand for your services, and yes, you can make a ridiculous amount of money for a 10-minute speech. I’m not even going to fact-check the fee for Chelsea because it sounds very plausible to me. As for Bill and Hillary, making money after the presidency is not an unusual thing. Again, A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH will show you that George W. Bush gave over 200 speeches since 2009, at an average of $100,000 – $175,000 per speech. THAT’S WHAT YOU DO AFTER YOUR TIME AS PRESIDENT IS DONE! Having a former president speak at your event is a big deal, and people will pay lots of money for that privilege. More “simple google searches” will show that Ronald Reagan also got over one million bucks for a single speaking engagement. Heck, even Trump’s BFF Rudy Giuliani got paid $270,000 for a single speech. I’m sorry for being the one to have to educate you on how post-presidential life works and for bursting your bubble about the supposed corruption of the Clinton family.
Educate me please? Did GW get Paid Speeches with who? The Saudi Oil Tycoons? Making Speeches in Islamic states who kill homosexual, and disobedient woman?
Where the Clinton Foundation pays only 10-15% to charities,the rest for exorbitant salaries.heck?
And Selling a stockpile of Uranium to the the Russians? For a 500K speech? Heck Yeah me too,”Heck” I hate to “Burst your Bubble” just Remember all this publicity about those notorious speeches? Is for who these speeches were made for. Very Bad for the Optics Bro.
Clinton Foundation “only gives 10-15%” to OTHER CHARITIES because The Clinton Foundation IS A CHARITY itself. 89% of funds received by the foundation is used for charitable causes, most of which are conducted by the foundation itself (like AIDS drugs, etc). They are a federally-recognized non-profit and their books are open if you want to check for yourself. the whole 10-15% thing is a misrepresented statement and major bait for confirmation bias. You need to read more than just the headline, sometimes…
As for your question about Bush’s speeches, this is a cut-n-paste from an article on Politico from 2015:
“He has talked to the National Grocers Association and the National Association for Home Care and Hospice and the National Association of Chain Drug Stores. He’s talked to global wealth management firms and multinational energy companies. He has talked to motivational seminars and boat builders and something called the Work Truck Show. He has talked to the chambers of commerce in San Diego and Wichita.”
You could easily look this stuff up, but you won’t because you might stumble across some actual facts that will debunk your fragile conspiracy theories.
Nice Try! Not Biting. But stay tuned because your theories are inconculsive. Let’s just wait for the FBI reports…. you good with that?
They aren’t theories. The Form 990 for The Clinton foundation is easily found by searching online. The information is out there if you really do care about facts more than you care about fear-mongering or rhetoric. I countered your regurgitated misinformation and you have nothing to say other than to be dismissive (this is the default posture for Trump supporters who aren’t white supremacists). Luckily for the country, the majority of voters care more about real information than you do. Keep clinging to the dream that the FBI will somehow come to Trump’s rescue because the voters won’t.
Where you at, cajaybird? I gave you a reasonable response but you got nothing to say now? building your argument on the faulty footing of a speech fee leave you with nothing left to stand on?
He ain’t the brightest bulb in the pack. When confronted with data and facts, it makes for a sour party of their ideologically driven drivel.
Another AP hit piece.
It’s always amusing to me how the Trumpsters will blame the media for everything including Trumps own poor performance yesterday. I saw the entire press conference and Trump was so “low energy” and meek he looked like a wimp up there. This article is being kind to Trump by saying he was “deferential”. Trump was downright weak!
Never mind Trump. Where’s Waldo, I mean Hillary. She gives a speech in Cincinnati (and looks like death warmed over) and disappears from the radar. Nobody in the media asks why or where, they’re too busy embarrassing themselves trying to smear Donald. She is either laying low because she’s a terrible candidate and everybody knows it. To hear her speak in public is like nails on a chalkboard, especially when she raises her tone. Or it’s her rapidly diminishing physical condition. She seems to need 3 days of rest for every one day on the campaign trail. Don’t know about the rest of you but I don’t want her to have the nuclear launch codes.
She’s going to have them. Probably for eight years. So get used to it.
She is very sickly,will never last that long in jail. Lock her up.
You persist with that sickness lie? Don’t you ever give up on failed strategies?
So you are comfortable with Hillary as President? You’re happy with her work with Russia, Iran, Libya, to name a few? There is complete chaos in the mid east. And remember, a video caused the death of our ambassador and three other Americans.
Why Rs will lose. First, people jobs. Cities are not built on ideology, but rather the ability to build sustainable economies. The fact is, every major city that is economically viable and diverse is D.
Over the past few decades, Republicans and Democrats have become more and more sharply divided – not just ideologically, but also geographically. Democrats tend to do best in the nation’s urban areas, while Republicans find their strongest support in more rural areas. Now, a new Pew Research Center analysis of county-level presidential-voting data quantifies just how dominant Democrats are in big cities – and analysts say this dominance will present a tough challenge to Donald Trump this November.
In 2008 Barack Obama won 88 of the 100 most populous counties; in his re-election bid four years later he won 86. Given Obama’s popularity among racial and ethnic minorities and young adults – who tend to cluster in big cities – that’s not altogether surprising. But Democrats’ urban dominance precedes Obama: The last time a GOP presidential candidate won more than a third of the 100 largest counties was 1988, when George H.W. Bush took 57 of them.
The disparity also is reflected in the parties’ share of the big-county vote. As recently as 1988, they were essentially even: Bush took 49.7% of the total vote in the 100 largest counties, while Michael Dukakis took 49.2%. But the Republican vote share fell steeply in 1992 and never really recovered: Since then, George W. Bush was the only GOP presidential candidate to receive more than 40% of the vote in the 100 largest counties (in 2004). Meanwhile, Democrats’ vote share in those counties has grown steadily, exceeding 60% in Obama’s two races.
This wasn’t always the case. Up to the 1990s, in fact, urban America was competitive territory for both Republican and Democratic presidential candidates: Ronald Reagan carried solid majorities of the 100 largest counties in both 1980 and 1984. In 2012, by contrast, Mitt Romney won only four counties with populations greater than 1 million: Maricopa County, Arizona; Orange County, California; Tarrant County, Texas; and Salt Lake County, Utah.
Most of the biggest counties have become more presidentially Democratic over the past four decades. We took a closer look at vote patterns in the 83 counties that were among the 100 most populous in both 1976 and 2012. In more than half (46 counties), the Democratic-Republican split shifted in the Democrats’ favor by more than 20 percentage points; only nine became less Democratic to any degree.
Does Brexit come to mind? Be very afraid as Mr Trump is looking more presidential everyday. It’s the people versus the establishment. I’m sure you wouldn’t waste your valuable time in this comments section if Mr Trump was not a threat and lying crooked HiLIARy had it in the bag. No pun intended.
sarge: Ike’s not only wasting his time, he’s wasting server space that could better be allocated for something useful.
Don’t forget to enroll in community college in the fall CEI, they have an open admissions policy, and you might be able to work on your AA degree–fingers crossed
Outside of Hillary’s failing health and her serial lying there is a big enthusiasm gap for the old gal. As loathsome a human being as her husband may be he’s a natural politician. Bill comes off as friendly and outgoing, a genuine people person. He’s the kind of guy you wouldn’t mind having a beer with (probably wouldn’t want him alone with your daughter though). Even little Barry the Marxist that he is has a presidential bearing and good leadership qualities (unfortunately he used them to divide rather than unite). Hillary on the other hand has none of these qualities. She’s cold, condescending, shrill and does not have Bill’s gift to come off as credible when lying. As a result there’s no way in the world democrats will be able to generate sufficient excitement for her. Not in the same way people were eager to come out for little Barry or Bill that’s for sure.
Good post CEI. The biggest concern is the change in demographics from decades of open borders. Plus States ike CA issue drivers licences to illegals; providing proof to vote. The Dems push to allow people to vote tells you a lot about those who don’t have any ID. How does anyone survive without an ID.
No doubt the dems are better at getting out the vote. Unions strong-arm their members into voting democrat to keep the taxpayer revenue stream going. Busing the lower classes to the polling stations to vote democrat by enticing them with a pack of smokes or 5 bucks. Registering illegals when they get their CA driver license. The list goes on and on.
Don’t forget checking headstones in the cemeteries.
Ahhhh, the truth comes out. Again, Trump unprepared and got played, and then lied through his teeth–see:http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-mexico-trip-was-weeks-in-the-making-1472779067?mod=e2fb
Nothing wrong with advance planning.
“If you saw Mr. Trump’s speech, and you care about the country and values of tolerance and human rights and weren’t disgusted, you were either fooled, or not paying attention,” the Editorial Board writes in The New York Times.
I don’t believe (the donald) will trust anyone to run his business not even his children.
We’re still waiting for the promised press conference where Trump will explain why, in spite of evidence to the contrary, Melania is a legal immigrant.
Are you waiting for Hillary to give her first full press conference in over 270 days? Why is she hiding? Maybe she has a few questions to answer.